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Alt 14.09.2011, 14:51
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You're right.
And: 2012 could be his last chance to win a title at the Olympic Games.
I think he benefits a lot from the new limit with a maximum of two players per NOC.
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Now, 5 years later on, we know that Boll played at Rio and lost to ... Quadri Aruna! TT History will recognize Boll as a number one player who never archieved to be world or olympic champion. To me a talent to watch actually is young Japanese Tomukazu Harimoto. Most chinese talents cannot really be spotted in Europe as we still do not have direct access to the Chinese Super League. I cannot see anybody in Europe to archieve the same status as waldner.
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Alt 27.09.2016, 00:53
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What about new talents in the world? Which 16 to 21 old players do you know, which have the ability to enter the World TOP10 or TOP20?
Is there a new Waldner? Who can break the chinese wall? Are there unknown new chinese or swedish players?
In Germany, there is Timo Boll. I think he will enter the TOP20, but he has not the chance to "kill" 3 chinese players in a row, like Waldner. Boll can beat Wang Liquin or Kong Linghui or Liu Guoliang or Ma Lin or Liu Guozheng, but he cannot beat all them in one Tournament. The one and only, who had the ability was the "big old man of TT" Jan-Ove Waldner.
What is your opinion?
Women: Mima Ito (JPN) 15 Years Old...
Did already happen last year -> World Rank 9
Did already happen she did beat Ning Ding
Miyuu Kihara and Miyu Nagasaki will be next,
Miu Hirano is a great talent she can make it to the Top Ten, but she needs more Time then Mima Ito.
She is sooo awesome it is hard to express in Words.
Yea like mentioned before for Men: Tomokazu Harimoto (JPN) 13 Years Old World Rank 74

There are a lot of great Talents, also in China there will be new ones, also a lot of other countries do become very strong atm like India, Thailand, Singapour, also Russia got some strong players... but hard to say for the Top because you need to be a very constant player and there has to be always a lot of room to become even better still when you are a Top 10 player you need much more to beat the Top-Chinese players. And Why 21 ??? When you are with 21 not a Top Ten play you very likely never will, 21 is very very very old, much too old, better speaking of players who are about 10-14 years old and talents.
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With Harimoto Japan has the chance to get a future Top 5 Player. But I guess that China will be as dominant as they currently are for the next 10 Years.
China has an other policy than Japan regarding young players. You can see japanese cadets playing tournaments all over the world. Some of them play up to 10 tournaments per year, with an age below 15. That´s kind of weird. China just sends some of their top talents to youth tournaments when they are 17 or 18. And then they dominate those tournaments. An Example may be the Asian Youth Tournament 2016, in which Harimoto startet as Cadet (in other tournaments he succeeded in the youth category and even made some great wins against adult Top 100 players with an age of 12) and lost in the final against an absolutely yet unknown chinese player.

A player like Fan Zhendong, who will probably soon will dominate this sport for years, also came nearly out of nothing.

From Europe it seems, that currently Vladimir Sidorenko is the top shot and may have the possibility to be a TOP 10 Player in the future.

German Players with the most potential are for me: Jannik Xu, Kay Stumper and Sven Hennig. If they work really hard, they can make it on a TOP 20 Level.
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With Harimoto Japan has the chance to get a future Top 5 Player. But I guess that China will be as dominant as they currently are for the next 10 Years.
China has an other policy than Japan regarding young players. You can see japanese cadets playing tournaments all over the world. Some of them play up to 10 tournaments per year, with an age below 15. That´s kind of weird. China just sends some of their top talents to youth tournaments when they are 17 or 18. And then they dominate those tournaments. An Example may be the Asian Youth Tournament 2016, in which Harimoto startet as Cadet (in other tournaments he succeeded in the youth category and even made some great wins against adult Top 100 players with an age of 12) and lost in the final against an absolutely yet unknown chinese player.

A player like Fan Zhendong, who will probably soon will dominate this sport for years, also came nearly out of nothing.
Yea I agree China is holding players back or they will not choose so early a player to go for international tournaments, but there are so many very good Chinese players, when they would play international mostly all the Top 50 Ranks would go to China.
I think Japan is doing it right also South Korea and some other countries giving all the support for young players to play as much as they can international and also as young as possible, this an great advance to other young players are not able to make international experiences and playing VS World Top players and with players from so many different nations with their own and new styles, technics, tactics..
Mima Ito did make so such a nice progress by international presents in her young age and beating todays Top10 Players.
But I think also China will still dominate the Sport for the next years, the up-coming Top Chinese players in the age between 12-16 years are mostly all unknown, only a few are ranked were on 1 or 2 tournaments to see and some might never play again, like Sun the Single Woman North-Korea Winner of last year, I never saw her again, she did just play 1 tournament and did win this one, what was also a hard one I would say by the skills in North Korea and now she is not to see anymore international.
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the up-coming Top Chinese players in the age between 12-16 years are mostly all unknown
I think China has currently no young players behind Fan Zhendong who could be TOP5 in the world!

Because of this, players like Zhang Jike will play longer and will not retire so early.

The new generation of chinese players will be more like Fang Bo, Zhou Yu and Yan An. No Fan Zhendong!

Maybe in 3-5 years the next talent like Fan Zhendong will come. Not in the next 1-3 years.

In Europe I see Sidorenko, Rossi and Stumper. And one swedish player, I forgot the name. In Japan Hariomoto.
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Alt 04.10.2016, 11:23
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Maybe China have soon also problems (on a higher level) like Europe have it for many years now?

If we speak about new talents in the world, there is one name to say: Hugo Calderano from Brazil! In 2-3 years he can attack the best chinese players!
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If we speak about new talents in the world, there is one name to say: Hugo Calderano from Brazil! In 2-3 years he can attack the best chinese players!
The best player from South America maybe. And also maybe TOP20 in the world in 1-2 years. But I am sure he will never be able to attack the best chinese players.

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Maybe China have soon also problems (on a higher level) like Europe have it for many years now?
Maybe!?

From the german part of this forum:


Chinese players in the world ranking october 2016:

1 1 MA Long CHN 3453, 20. Oktober 1988, 27 years old, righthand
2 2 FAN Zhendong CHN 3304, 22.01.1997, 19 years old, righthand
3 3 XU Xin CHN 3184, 8. Januar 1990, 26 years old, lefthand
4 4 ZHANG Jike CHN 3158, 16. Februar 1988, 28 years old, righthand
11 12 FANG Bo CHN 2615, 09.01.1992, 24 years old, righthand
17 ZHOU Yu CHN 2506, 19.05.1992, 24 years old, lefthand
YAN An CHN 2499 (currently not ranked), 12.01.1993, 23 years old, righthand
62 65 LIN Gaoyuan CHN 2215, 19.03.1995, 21 years old, lefthand
WANG Zhixu ^^ CHN 1754 (currently not ranked)
208 216 YU Heyi CHN 1750
252 270 XU Haidong CHN 1598
327 350 YANG Shuo CHN 1411
328 351 XU Yingbin CHN 1410
366 387 YUAN Licen CHN 1340
465 490 YU Zhengyang CHN 1160
467 493 CAO Wei CHN 1156
ZHOU Shiyuan CHN 1014 (currently not ranked)
LIU Qilong CHN 998 (currently not ranked)

573 608 CAO Yantao CHN 976
630 661 SONG Zhuoheng CHN 892
773 810 LI Duo CHN 675


In the meantime disapperead chinese players which had been ranked in the world ranking february 2014?

60 LIU Yi (CHN), 08.11.1992, 23 years old, righthand defender
99 SHANG Kun (CHN), 21.11.1990, 25 years old, lefthand
99 XU Chenhao (CHN) *, 29.03.1995, 21 years old, righthand
101 LIANG Jingkun (CHN), 20.10.1996, 20 years old, righthand
119 YANG Ce
128 ZHAI Chao
154 MA Te
161 ZHENG Peifeng
162 YIN Hang
183 ZHOU Qihao (12.01.1997, 19 years old)
188 CUI Qinglei
ZHOU Kai (01.03.1996, 20 years old)
199 KONG Lingxuan (09.05.1996, 20 years old)
200 ZHOU Kai
202 YU Ziyang
215 CHENG Jingqi
300 LYU Xiang
340 FANG Yinchi
348 LI Tianyu
370 HU Bingtao
378 LIU Dingshuo
397 WANG Chuqin
455 ZHU Cheng
473 XIA Yizheng
566 XUE Fei
623 ZHANG Bohan
640 YAN Minghui
698 LI Tianhao
704 LI Zhuoming
705 JI Jiale
828 GUAN Zeyu
1026 HENG Yinhao
1043 WAN Qiaoyu
1066 CAO Yantao
1090 WANG Yuhao
1193 HE Huabing
1202 WANG Beizeng
1222 CHEN Yutao
1273 PENG Dingwen
1404 WANG Changzi


Maybe someone can add informations about the players (birthday, age, left/right hander, playingstyle penholder defender or shakehand attack)?
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I think China has currently no young players behind Fan Zhendong who could be TOP5 in the world!
I think there are a lot Chinese Talents, who could be Top 10 Players, when they would have a chance starting to play international tournaments in a much younger age, but China is very overdone with young good talents, so they wait much longer to see the progress and then they make a decision for the best talent.
But yes to be Top 5 would be hard also when they would start to play international tournaments in the age of 12-14 years old, like the respected Japanese Teens Miu Hirano(World Cup Winner 16 J.) and Mima Ito(Olympic Bronze Winner 15 J.), who did reach until now only the Top 10 (maybe Miu Hirano will be close to the Top 5 next Month when the Ranking Points of the World Cup will be added), but both did lost vs Chinese Players on the Junior Championship. But I think the Top 5 and Top 10 will look a bit different when China would led young talents play much earlier on international tournaments and tours where you can make a lot of ranking points.
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If we speak about new talents in the world, there is one name to say: Hugo Calderano from Brazil! In 2-3 years he can attack the best chinese players!
I did never see him playing. Do you really think, he will be able to attack the best chinese paddlers? Hardly to believe.

The next Chinese top10 player will be Wang Chuqin.

A danger for China can maybe Tomokazu Harimoto from Japan. But he is also chinese, parents chinese and moved to Japan.

From Europe the next generation are Vladimir Sidorenko from Russia and Truls Moregardh from Sweden. They are outstanding!
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