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Alt 19.11.2008, 15:36
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...What do you think how long will the manufacturers spend millions for developing if ITTF found new and new criteria month by month that makes the development in vain?
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Thank you very much, Mr. President.

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I found out that these rubbers are OK. The rubbers are approved in their final form, so as long as you do not "add" anything, and as long as the factory removed all the VOCs (by airing the rubber), then it's OK.

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Look at the further High-Tune Rubbers from Butterfly, if you look very strange at it, they were NEVER be approved. It´s right?
If the rubber is processed at the factory, and is free of VOCs, and meets all the ITTF requirements, then it's OK and authorized. The problem is if you add anything after it is authorized.

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You never asked this people before. Why now you want to ask them?
I think its because it just suits you.
I was trying to find out what is the magnitude of the players that are affected by the low-friction rule. In any case, your statements are very interesting and give me an overall idea

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I dont understand something. If ITTF gets only the rubber for homologization how are you able to check a covering bought from the retail market? The 90%of the coverings are assembled. Mainly the popular ones eg. Tenergy 05.

In the other hand. What do you think how long will the manufacturers spend millions for developing if ITTF found new and new criteria month by month that makes the development in vain?
Very easy, we just separate them. But in any case the ITTF does NOT approve (homologation) rubber. We just approve the common equipment such as tables, nets and balls for quality and meeting ITTF criteria. For rubbers and blades, which are "[ersonal equipment" we do not approve. We give the authorization to rubber manufacturers to put the ITTF logo on their rubber if the rubber meets the ITTF rules and criteria. We do not approve for quality.

I do not know how much manufacturers spend on development. There is a group called FIT, which is the Federation of TT Manufacturers, and we meet with them regularly and they are always aware of ITTF plans and they actually make a lot of recommendations to the ITTF.

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OK, I will check this and let you know.

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I have checked about the 25mN friction standard. You are absolutely right. It applies only to pimpled-rubber (long and short pimples), it odes not apply to Anti-spin. I now asked "Why?" and I am waiting for the technical experts' answer. I assume because the Anti-spin is predictable and the friction is even all over the rubber, whereas that may not be the case when pimples are treated. But I will get you the exact answer by tomorrow (today is Sunday).


I will get back to you for the reasons why Anti-spin rubber is not affected.

Have a good Sunday.

Adham


Hi Adam
are there some news about the friction standard is not for ANTIS.
I checked all short pimples in my shop and I must say I think there are only 4 or 5 fom 15 which have really friction on it.

The other think I want to know how do you want to contoll the 25mN friction on a short and long pimple at the table from the referee???

Thanks for your answer have a nice weekend
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Hi Adam,

thank you for your continued efforts for table tennis

my questions:
# why were so many Pro Tour events cancelled?
## shouldn't important big events like Pro tour Chamionships, European or World Championships better take place more often at big cities like NYC :-), Paris, Melbourne and comparable cities? That would be a great chance to promote table tennis, and money would be far better spend in financing such an event than in taking endless efforts in promoting tt on TV.
People that don't know tt as a great sport would get more interested when seeing it live than watching a little ball on tv.
Table tennis is fascinating when seeing in live, but loses much of that when seeing it on a tv screen

Thx, Till
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Hi Adham,

today the well-known player Adrian Crisan was disqualified after winning his match against Timo Boll at the German Open in Berlin.
I don't have first-hand information but the reason seems to be that after testing his racket before and after the match the thickness was bigger.

I really would like to read your opinion on that!
Could you explain to me what a player MIGHT undertake to circumvent current rules?
Is table tennis now at a stage where high-ranked players are cheating????

Till
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Very interesting comments. I agree with your assessment. Usually the good players will be good regardless of the equipment. I have one question for you (Ich habe eine Frage) -
- do you think in Germany, if you take ALL levels, the majority of the players are in favour of the low-friction long-pimples ban, or are against the low-friction long-pimples ban?

Very good if wu see tht "most" players...and not what right is and what have a sense...in the name of "justiz"....

Important was for me (and for others) an answer for my post bevor.........your opinon is that old players must learn backhand.......etc...thank if you want answer, mr President.

I repeat all, so you have clear here....another time thank mr. Sharara:

Can you answer, please ? Thanks.....


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Adham

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it was to "improve" the game and to disallow the post-treatment of rubbers which is a form of cheating.
Improve the game ? You think, maybe, that "old" players, 40, 50, 60 years...must "improve" the game ? This players work, have a family and they cannot sure have a "profi" training...and "improve" a stroke...two hours hobby training in the week...if you think, it is impossible...result will be, that a lot of "old" players will have no more fun "keine Lust" to play...you don't think this.........?

Post-treatment...with ttmaster was no-necessary a home-treatment...now (you can be sure) this will have a "new age".


Adham:
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This is a question of setting standards and setting criteria that the majority of the members of the ITTF (national associations) believe it os in favour of the sport. It is your right to believe the opposite of course. Time will tell who is right. The delegates at the ITTf are not stupid,
Yes, i know the....ideas against this game of the members....

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Adham:
But we must give enough time to see the effects. We had mush stronger opposition to the 40mm ball and the 11 points games, but today there is general agreement that these were good changes.
This is not the same...in the future....eheh... a "general agreement"...nobody (the users) will say...this is a good change.........

Adham:
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But, you are right that the friction rule has caused a lot of problems to tyhe players at the lower levels in clubs and leagues, while it had no effect on the top players. I am very soory about that. But I firmly believe that players should rely on their own skills and hone those skills to be better players and use equipment only as a question of comfort and as a matter of fitting their style of play, rather than using equipment (and altering) to gain advantage. This is my personal belief.
Table tennis isn't tennis...the materials (without altering) are in the DNA of TT....or ?

And last...but not least, Mr. President...you will improve the game, ok. We believe..........

But The game was nice when Jonyer, Klampar etc, played.....a lot of top spins and blocks on the table...this was super for the "show"...or ?
But after we had the "age" of glue.........terrible for our game...two spins and Schluss...ehh
No good for the health...also...............
But we had 25 years of glue....why, mr President ?
You "improved" the game with 40 Ball, set 11.......all the possible and impossible ideas...but NOT erase the first responsable...the glue. 25 years....why mr. President ?

Another time thanks....

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