Palio CK531A "Blue Edition"

[4 MD]

Zitat von OSR

Yes, it the true.

You can play with the rubber.

Don´t be so stupid, 4 MD.

" Stupid" thank you ! But I know this standard of you !

It's the truth , heißt das übrigends !

[Pinguin]

Zitat von OSR

You don´t want to accept, that the rubber can be used in official matches.

I also don't want to accept that a rubber whose surface is not identical with the one which was approved by the ITTF can be used in an official match.

But I fear that I have no choice: the text on the rubber appears in the list so I can't disqualify a player who wants to play with this rubber... unfortunately...

[Franz Eder]

Oh man! I fall off all clouds! What see my inflamed eyes! Another Palio discussion where the crap is steaming!

And that too yet in English, my darlingsspeech!

Also, I think, OSR is on the woodway!

Blue edition is not allowed, I think it will soon be away from the window.

It comes me so fore, as if some are powdered with the clamp bag, and this beats me out of the socks.

My dear Mr. singingclub!

What kinda discussion's on ??

ITTF relulations for paddles, ah ?

"Maybe it is not legal, but you can play with it."
--> please explain OSR !! Isn't that kidding ????

Am interested in your answer 'bout that ...

So Long...

[4 MD]

Zitat von Ron Wallace / Wales

What kinda discussion's on ??

ITTF relulations for paddles, ah ?

"Maybe it is not legal, but you can play with it."
--> please explain OSR !! Isn't that kidding ????

Am interested in your answer 'bout that ...

So Long...

I laugh me slack ! ( Franz Eder would say)
Even the foreign users recognise , that there 's not much competence at OSR !!!!!

So long

German special rules and rubbers ??

What does it mean "Maybe it is not legal, but you can play with it" ??

not legal means: you are not allowed to play !
legal means: you ARE allowed to play !

Perhaps a typing mistake, OSR ??

[Nosti49]

Hi Lee Park and Ron Wallace,

how should I explain.....?

Take the European monetary agreement, not to exceed 3 percent of the BIP.

You are not allowed to do it ! It's against the agreement (rules) !
But: YOU CAN DO IT !! None of the countries will be able to charge you with the agreed penalty....

And so it works in Germany... (according to OSR, who -unfortunately I must admit this- is a German referee / umpire.....)

But this question you should better put to the international board of umpires, as many table tennis players in Germany see it the same way then you do !

So it is only one umpire, who states this. For sure not all would have the same opinion.

Ciao
Norbert

[Pinguin]

Zitat von Nosti49

So it is only one umpire, who states this. For sure not all would have the same opinion.

Unfortunately I have to follow the argumentation of OSR.

I'm also an umpire/referee in Germany.

- Fact is that the Palio CK531A can be found on the current ITTF list of approved rubbers.
- Fact is also that there's no difference between the two "German Editions" of Palio concerning the name and description on the rubber

The first fact tells the referee that the player is permitted to play with the specific rubber. The second one really causes trouble. The description written on the rubber is the only possibility for a referee to distinct whether a rubber is legal or not.

The ("normal") referee unfortunately has no possibility to test whether a rubber is identical with the one which was given to the ITTF for the approval. So the referee can not state any of the "versions/editions" illegal than if he could perform some additional physical tests.

So I unfortunately have to support the oppinion of OSR though I really would like to say "yes it is not legal and no referee may permit to play with this rubber".

For sure I don't support preparation of rubbers in any illegal way, but the problem for a referee is that he has to prove these manipulations. I would be very happy if I could give another statement but unfortunately I can't...

[Francis54]

This is a picture of what is written on a Palio 531A "Yellow Edition" : http://www.ittf.com/ittf_equipment/R...pany=&s_Type=& , and it seems that it's the same on the "Blue Edition", so the 2 versions seem to be authorised, even if the BE is "prepared", or "treated", or "processed" (sorry, but I can't find other words in my french-english dictionary ). So the question is : can an umpire or a referee refuse a BE, because it's more smooth and shiny than the YE, and because that's the only way to recognise it? :confused:

[Francis54]

One precision : I'm also umpire and referee, and I would really be embarassed in such a situation.