Offtopic from: Hello from ITTF President

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Da in dem "Hauptdiskussionsstrang" nach einiger Zeit immer nur noch wiederkehrendes Argumentieren bezgl. der GLN/Tuning, etc. aufkam, hab ich dem Thema hier einen eigenen Strang eingerichtet. Beiträge zu diesen Themen in dem anderen Strang werden hierhin verschoben.

[mago]

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Mr. Sharara has already noticed the disagreements and dissatisfactions from some members/players. Now give it a rest, please.

Ja, Herrr Sharara asked...why to speak about another time...? I don't want disturb Mr. Sharara...sure...he is good for this Forum, i know...but, maybe we have some ...connection, glue and FL...maybe the "experts" are the same...........:

Herr Sharara sagt:

"Regarding the long time it took to ban VOC glues was mainly related to two factors:
1. A strong and large group within the ITTF opposing such a ban and always working against any movement towards banning VOC glues in fear of ruining the sport
2. developing affordable and reliable testing equipment that would detect ALL VOCs.
With regards to the first point, as time passed, as the smell increased, as governments and health agencies and health practitioners started to sound the alarm, as studies were produced....................."

Good Mr. Sharara, for "smell" they need a long time...but also a blind man can see after 3 months...this make TT dead...they need 25 years... congratulations, right "experts" or ...what ? I cannot understand, HOW this opposition don't see the ugly Glue-TT for a lot of years...or it was good against china players ?
This "Opposition" maked very good for Table Tennis...why those men worked 25 years for ITTF, if they maked TT "kaputt" ?
Are maybe the same persons against "no good Frictionless" ...?
A "compensation" ? Glue but also FL...?

And.....

"This is an opportunity for the rise of the defensive player, without the need of special equipment to counter the previously devastating attacks possible with speed glue."

I think, this is very good...now, when it is impossible also for the"Opposition" to continue with glue-TT-kaputt...we can think for the defensive players....

The problem is...in ITTF is an...opposition...they have a "fix-idea" against FL....also if FL Pimple is good for old players in low series...no problem for the show...nobody see those players, but this gentleman don't see this....they don't love this game und..."Schluss"...

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[TSC]

I don't see that the discussion in the other thread concerning Glue/Pimples is going anywhere now and thus I've given it it's own thread for those that are concerned. Mago, you may want to amend the thread title.

Please keep the discussion civil and stick to the forum guidelines

[mago]

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clickWe're flogging a dead horse with the frictionless pimple thing. It has been discussed endlessly and Mr. Sharara has already noticed the disagreements and dissatisfactions from some members/players. Now give it a rest, please.

I don't believ...the moderator cancel what is no good for Mr. Sharara....congratulations moderator...It isn't good if "mago" writes...(maybe the true............).......i understand...for this forum is very good if the president of ittf write....the president comes for speak, dear moderator......why are YOU so afraid...and cancel post, mr. Sharara don't ask you something, isn't ? Ah....If you see, something "disturb" ...better cAncel the post....super.

I am sorry, but i want know form mr. Sharara:

25 years wasn't ENEZ...but they ....smell, or ? HOW THIS "Opposition" FOR 25 YEARS permit that the glue make "kaputt" table tennis...Opposition, you think we believe it ? Maybe this group want other things, but sur not the "goodnes" of table tennis...isn't ?


They are "expert" isn't ? The same experts want now "no frictionless"..is this only a "glue-compensation" or a "fix-idea of this "experts", they have no reasons, they want only the FL are dead.............reasons......for "poor" old people...they played in "underworld" of TT, nobody see this players..

Why only NOW this expert think for defensive players ? Mr. President....is too late...we don't have any "defensive players" ...

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[mago]

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Domo arigato gozaimus; konichiwa barracuda-san. Watashi wa ITTF'no Sharara des. I am not annoyed by the complaints. I understand the frustration and the anger and I am trying my best to explain that this is not the end of the world and that all players must continue to play and enjoy our sport.Adham

Thank you Adham...if you are not annoyed. You understand sure...the FL player are more than "annoyed". They haven't "lust" to play...and why ?

You "understand " the frustration...........good...obviously...you understand...because you know very good what ifft is doing...YOU decide this...

The Problem is....any TV show this players...we all see Kreanga, Boll.....it is simple...someone in ITTF is against FL...without reason.... ...frictionless players are in the underworld of TT...you make something against old player..


Sorry, i apologize this "expert" gentlemen think sure for the goodness of table tennis...but maked "kaputt" table tennis for 25 years...only because the glue was good against china players...isn't ?
Please mr. President, you cannot think we believe....and if we believe....WHY THE OPPOSITION WAS FOR GLUE ??? Please, tell me ONE REASON...please...

Now the "problem" is only they don't love the FL game...and they have the power.

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[mago]

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now and thus I've given it it's own thread for those that are concerned. Mago, you may want to amend the thread title.

Please keep the discussion civil and stick to the forum guidelines

Sehr gut, leber Moderator: du sagst " I don't see that the discussion in the other thread concerning Glue/Pimples is going anywhere" und das ist seltsam:
Alle finden die Antworte ueber dieses Thema sehr interessant...und es waere wirklich sehr interessant zu wissen, warum diese Experten von ITTF haben 25 Jahre Tischtennis kaputt gemacht.
Ja du kannst sagen, Mr. Sharara hat geantwortet...aber ich moechte keine Rethorik und niemand kann glauben dass Experte 25 Jahre lang haben nicht gemerkt dass Frischkleben hat TT kaputt gemacht... na komm...lieber Moderator...auche eine Hausfrau vom Schwarzwald haette es verstanden,...

Also sag mir nicht da dass Gespraech niergendwohin fuerht...ich finde es sehr nuetzlich um zu verstehen wie die "Members" of IFFT TT und uns beruecksichtigen...und was ist fuer diese Gentlmen da GUTE fuer Tischtennis...

Dann wenn meine Frage nicht "Ja...ja...Entschuldigung...ich bin hier...ja ...immer zu Verfuegung..."...keine Hypochrisie aber DIREKTE Frage....

Ich verstehe dass du, Moderator willst nichtzuviel den President ...stoeren, es ist gut wenn er hier schreibt natuerlich...aber sei a bissl' hoefflicher, erzongener und ehrlicher zu den Leuten und sag den Anderen nicht auf unhoefflicher Weise, dass sie "zivil" sein sollten...lierber Mann...wir sind alle oder fast...zivil, ich beleidige niemand...ich nur stelle direkte Frage...ganz respektvoll und ehrlich.

MFG

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I've simply seperated your posts from the other thread to a) avoid that too many topics are being discussed at the same time in one thread, b) because this particular one has been finished, as indicated by Mr.Sharara and other forum members, c) because many of the questions that you've asked were already answered previously (directly or indirectly) and d) because I've asked to avoid further discussion in the other thread (because of point a).
What's the big deal about it? Everybody is invited to keep discussing this topic here as long as you want.

On a sidenote: When I said:

"I don't see that the discussion in the other thread concerning Glue/Pimples is going anywhere"

I meant that the discussion regarding this topic began slightly to detoriate into an argument contest as you ignored the points above in many cases and posted unfounded theories, hence the further need in my opinion to seperate the topic.
The same was meant for my hint towards the forum guidlines, which BTW contain not just aspects concerning forum behaviour but also advices for the readability of posts.

And that's my last word. Please stick to this thread for the pimples/glue topic.

[Whip McCord]

Zitat von mago

...aber ich moechte keine Rethorik und niemand kann glauben dass Experte 25 Jahre lang haben nicht gemerkt dass Frischkleben hat TT kaputt gemacht...

Damit du es besser raffst, hier ausnahmsweise auf Deutsch:

Hast du jemals das internationale Tischtennisgeschehen in den 70er und 80er Jahren live verfolgt?

Ja ? - Kann ich mir nicht vorstellen.
Denn dann würdest du einen derartigen Schwachsinn nicht verzapfen.


Mit Verlaub: Das Frischkleben hat die große Langeweile auf der Weltbühne seinerzeit erst beendet. Das attraktive Spinspiel aus der Halbdistanz mit längeren Ballwechseln in der Weltspitze wieder konkurrenzfähig gemacht. Zuerst die Ungarn, später die Schweden zurück auf den Thron geführt.

Europa hatte plötzlich wieder eine Chance gegen wenig ansehnliche Brutalo-Aufschlag-Schuss-Spieler mit kurzen Noppen im Penholderstil vorn am Tisch.

Und was die Trauer um das Aussterben der mehr oder minder reinen Abwehrspieler in der absoluten Weltspitze angeht: Dieser Rückgang begann bereits in den 40er u. 50er Jahren nach dem Abtreten von Richard Bergmann u. Co. - lange vor Einführung des Frischklebens also.

Über Schöler & Börszey bis zu Chen Xinhua, Wang Hao und Ding Song waren übrigens häufig die erwähnten Penholderspieler mit kurzen Noppen außen Gift und Endstation für diese Defensivspezialisten. - Oft viel mehr gefürchtet als Shakehandspieler mit Riesenschwingern...

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[stefan.s]

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full quote Hier hat er mal wieder recht. Vollumfänglich!

[TSC]

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/edit: I've moved the thread here where it fits better.