TIBHAR Evolution rubbers

[slevin]

The one attribute I want to get info on regarding the EL-S is the sponge hardness.

In my opinion, ESN manufactured 45 degree rubbers have a bit too soft sponge (when used with hard composite blades, one gets less spin when using the sponge than when purely brushing. This does not happen with most or all of ESN's 47-48 degree rubbers).

So, if EL-P is 43.5 degrees, Rasant Grip, Omega V Europe & Gewo Nanoflex FT45 are 45 degrees, is EL-S sponge about 46 degrees? Is that about as hard as Tenergy 05's sponge or is it softer?

Thank you!

There are so many postings about the TIBHAR Evolution rubbers in the german part of this forum.

TIBHAR Evolution MX-P, EL-P, FX-P
topic start: 03.06.2012
1.942 postings, 765.697 views (29.07.2016)


TIBHAR Evolution MX-S
topic start: 15.06.2014
422 postings, 344.206 views (29.07.2016)


TIBHAR Evolution EL-S und FX-S
topic start: 28.01.2016
252 postings, 82.247 views (29.07.2016)


Amazing! 2.616 postings about TIBHAR Evolution rubbers and 1.192.150 views

But it is hard or impossible to read everything with google translation. So it would be very kind of you, if you can maybe write me the most important informations about the six Evolution rubbers? Which characteristic they have and which Tenergy rubber version can be replaced by which Evolution rubber version? Some reviews would be also very nice, but don't forget to write which blade you use. Thank you!

[JanMove]

Hi Paul68,

I'll try to summarize the most important features of the Evolution rubers.
I'm playing with an old classical Korbel Off blade from Japan. It's a heavy and relatively stiff one with a weight of 94 g.
First of all, I have to say that I tried myself the MX-P and MX-S. The EL-S is currently under test. My statements about the other rubbers is obtained from extrapolation and what I read from others.

"P" vs. "S"
"P" stands for power and "S" for spin. This means that the P versions are more powerful compared to corresponding S versions. They have a higher dynamic range (higher catapult effect). On the other hand, the S versions allow for more spin. The differences are caused by the slightly harder sponge in combination with the special surface of the S versions compared to corresponding P versions.

MX vs. EL vs. FX
The MX rubbers have the hardest sponge and a flexible surface. FX rubbers have a similar (or same) surface as MX rubers but a much softer sponge. So, the FX rubbers can be considered as the small brothers of the MX rubbers playing much softer and, of course, less powerful.
The EL rubbers are different. They consist of a (soft-)medium sponge in combination with a less flexible (stiffer) surface. They are very good for blocking and other straight strokes. Particularly, the EL-P is excellent in doing that. The EL-S is very special. It can be considered as a combination of the positive features from MX-P and MX-S but softer feeling. So, players who like the power and spin of the MX rubbers but think that these rubbers are a bit too hard should certainly have a look at the EL-S.

Evolutions vs. Tenergys
First of all, I have to say that I don't play with Butterfly rubbers anymore. One of the reasons is that I don't want to support their price politics. Secondly, the Tenergy rubbers are not good for my style of playing. And this is, why I don't like this kind of comparison. I think that Tenergy rubbers are difficult to play for any kind of passive stroke. This is particularly true for blocking, which is very important for me. Any Evolution rubber (or almost all other ESN rubbers) are better in doing that.
But if you are asking for a Tenergy replacement my personal view is as follows. The MX-S is most similar to the T05 and the FX-S to the T05 FX. The correponding P versions can be considered, too. But they are faster, feel softer, and produce less spin. The EL-S might be also an option for T05 replacement. But the feeling is completely different! I think the EL-S is the best option for replacement of the T64 rubber. The other Tenergy rubbers I don't know.

If you have any further questions, feel free to ask.

[JanMove]

Maybe, I should add following information.
I'm currently not playing with an Evolution rubber although I like them.
None of them works on my backhand (BH) side. On the BH, I'm playing with the Acuda S1 Turbo since it is on the market. It is still the fastest and most direct rubber available. I need this feature for my style of aggressively blocking. The MX-P has a too high throw angle and too much catapult for that and the catapult and power of the MX-S is too low. The EL-S would work, but its feeling is too soft for my BH.
On the forehand (FH) side MX-P, MX-S, and EL-S would somehow work for me. But I think that the Omega V Tour (OVT) is similar but better than the MX-P. It has better control, particularly, for playing topspin against chopping. The MX-S has the highest potential of all Evolution rubbers but needs to be played with high accuracy. I replaced it with my current favorite rubber, which is the Acuda Blue P1 Turbo (P1T). It plays similar to the MX-S but a little bit softer, a bit more dynamically, and a bit less spin. I think that this is currently the most controllable high-end rubber on the market. It does not have any real weakness.
As written above, I'm currently testing the EL-S. It's a very good rubber, but feels really soft compared to the other rubbers I usually prefer. The EL-S is excellent in playing topspin against undercut balls, at least on the same level as the OVT or even better. But because of its softness I have some problems with powerful topspins so far. That's why I have to adjust my technique. Next week, I will test the EL-S directly against the P1T, and see, which of them is better for me. But I assume that I will stay with the P1T.

There is one thing to add.

MX-P and FX-P = same topsheet
EL-S and FX-P = same or very similar topsheet, but slighty different to MX-S
EL-P = separate topsheet, exclusive within the series

The rest is observed accurately, I think.

[Uranus]

Zitat von Paul68

Which characteristic they have and which Tenergy rubber version can be replaced by which Evolution rubber version?

I know this rubbers very good, because I was using many years Butterfly Tenergy rubbers.


hard selected Tenergy 05 Evolution MX-S
soft selected Tenergy 05 Evolution EL-S

hard selected Tenergy 64 Evolution MX-P
soft selected Tenergy 64 Evolution EL-S

Tenergy 80 Evolution EL-S

Tenergy 25 for this little bit special rubber I would take a hard selected Evolution MX-S or a hard selected Evolution EL-P

Tenergy 25-FX for this little bit special rubber I would take a hard selected Evolution FX-P or an Evolution FX-S or a soft selected Evolution EL-P

Tenergy 05-FX Evolution FX-S

Tenergy 80-FX Evolution FX-S or Evolution FX-P

Tenergy 64-FX Evolution FX-P or a soft selected Evolution FX-S


This are my recommendations to replace Tenergy with Evolution rubbers.

[Townsman]

Zitat von Uranus

This are my recommendations to replace Tenergy with Evolution rubbers.

your comparations are really perfect.

I know all Tenergy and all Evolution rubbers very well. I would really exactly recommend the same Evolution rubbers for these Tenergy rubbers, like you wrote it.

How is the situation in germany? Do in germany also use so much players Tenergy and Evolution rubbers like in the most other countries? I travel a lot and try to practise in all cities in clubs and where ever I am, you see only Evolution, Tenergy, Evolution, Tenergy, Evolution, ... they "kill" nearly all other rubbers worldwide.

Same in professional sports. The most pros are using Butterfly Tenergy rubbers (Timo Boll, Marcos Freitas, Tiago Apolonia, Andrej Gacina, Alexander Shibaev and much more) and Tibhar Evolution rubbers. (Vladimir Samsonov, Paul Drinkhall, Bojan Tokic, Chen Chien An, Emmanuel Lebesson and much more).

Tibhar Evolution and Butterfly Tenergy rubbers are highend rubbers and dominating table tennis in higher leagues and the ITTF World Tour.
Only DHS Hurricane National-Team-Version is also used so often (but only from asian players on the forehand side).

I changed my rubbers. Before I was using Tenergy 05 and Tenergy 05-FX, now I use Evolution EL-S and FX-S.
Blade is still Innerforce ALC, but I am thinking about to test Tibhar CCA or VS Unlimited or Stiga Carbonado. But this is another issue.

I work also as coach and I have 3 modern defender in my training group. Backhand two are using long pimple and one is using short pimple. Currently they use all 3 Tenergy 05 1.9 on their forehand. But now two are thinking about to chance also to Evolution rubber. I have an idea which rubber I will give to which player. But before I write it, I would like to ask you which Evolution rubber you prefer for the forehand side of modern defenders (topspin and defend with downspin, sometimes block and smash)?

In Korea many players are using Evolution rubbers. I seems that in Europe you have a similar situation.

I noticed also that many pro-players are using the Evolution rubbers as well. There seem to be 3 leading companies in professional table tennis, Butterfly, Tibhar and Double Happiness.

Zitat von MadlenNem

In Korea many players are using Evolution rubbers. I seems that in Europe you have a similar situation.

I noticed also that many pro-players are using the Evolution rubbers as well. There seem to be 3 leading companies in professional table tennis, Butterfly, Tibhar and Double Happiness.

yes, in Europe same. Russia many players Tibhar Evolution and Butterfly Tenergy rubber. But also not bad DHS Hurricane and Xiom Vega and Omega rubbers.

Any news about the brandnew Evolution MX-D rubber?

How is the MX-D compared to the Evolution MX-P and MX-S rubbers?