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  #91  
Alt 14.11.2008, 10:57
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I think Mr.Sharara dont understand why so many people are crying.
It is not because no friction pimples automatically win and now after the ban this players dont win automatically without no friction pimples.
It is because with no friction pimples you have to play completely different to other rubbers. This players have to learn TT completely new on backhand. And because this Rubbers were used by many older players, this players have big big big problems to learn TT completely new on backhand.

This players do not play TT three times a week and this players are frustrated.
Please think about it.
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Alt 14.11.2008, 11:38
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Good one! But apparently you're not familiar with smilies - I added to indicate that I was teasing and not making a serious remark. I couldn't resist the "spark-shark" slippage since your name is Sharara after all and so many here have trouble getting it right.
OK, I get it, no harm done. Sorry, I didn't realize that the smiley was meant as a joke. You have a good sense of humour.

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Alt 14.11.2008, 11:45
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@Noppennorbert

OK, I understand your point now. Yes, you are right, your association was probably one of those that supported the minimum friction level that was passed as a rule by the ITTF. Of course if a national association comes to an ITTF meeting and proposes of supports a specific rule, we have to assume that the association represents the "majority" of the players from that country. Now if more than 90% of the national associations member of the ITTF also support a specific rule, I have to feel as President of the ITTF very confident that this represents overwhekmingly the opinions and desires of the majority of TT players in the world. I can see that in this Forum the views are opposed to the view of the national association and to the rule passed by the ITTF. But in fact, how much does this forum really represent the overall views of all players in your country? As you know, those that do not like a rule will complain about it, but those that are happy with the current rule have no need to exoress themselves. At the end, it is your national association that you need to convince.

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Of course if a national association comes to an ITTF meeting and proposes of supports a specific rule, we have to assume that the association represents the "majority" of the players from that country.
No national association surveyed its members. The ITTF is expected by a majority - without a trial ?

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But in fact, how much does this forum really represent the overall views of all players in your country? [...] At the end, it is your national association that you need to convince.
The player now just refer to this association is not understandable. The ITTF have to represent the interests of all players.

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...The ITTF have to represent the interests of all players. OB
Some interests of different groups of players are contradicting.

From my experience the majority of the players don't use frictionless pimples and big majority of this majority support the ban of this type of rubber. This majority had difficult times before the ban, now it's the other way round.

The majority has won, it's nothing wrong with it.
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And who knows what is the majority in fact? The ITTF listens only to the national associations. Should we establish our own association? Power-glueing angainst frictionless long pimples? Sooner these people (topspin-player) have the training with me very much. Today I have nothing and everybody is missing my block-training.

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...The ITTF listens only to the national associations. Should we establish our own association? ...OB
What about that?

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To Adham. Hello here too. I am the same that on MyTT.net.
Can you please clarify the Tensor ban? Will ITTF ban all the products contains tension. (all the recent products that marked the new ITTF logo and XX-YYY numbers like Tenergy05, Roxxon etc)
I do not know. If these rubbers pass the ITTF tests then they will continue to enjoy the ITTF authorization, if they do not pass the ITTF tests then they will not be on the next authorization list. But I have no information that the rubbers you mentioned have been banned. In fact, the ITTF does not "ban" any rubbers/ What we have is a request from a rubber manufacturer to use the ITTF logo on their product. So, the ITTF first tests the samples given by the manufacturer. If they meet ITTF criteria and rules, then the ITTF "authorizes" the manufacturer to use the ITTF logo on the rubber. later, randomly, the ITTF will test the same rubber taken from the retail market to make sure that it also meets the ITTF requirements. If it passes the test, no problem. If it des not pass the test we advise the manufacturer and try to find out the problem so that it can be corrected. If we still can not fix the problem then the rubber does not receive the authorization to use the ITTF logo and it does not appear on the next list of authorized rubber coverings. The manufacturer can continue to produce the rubber and sell it, but without the ITTF logo. Nothing is banned. It is just a question of authorization to use the ITTF logo, which belongs to the ITTF just like the Olympic rings belong to the IOC.
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Dear Forum members,

I believe that we have exhausted the issue of the low-friction long-pimples rubbers.
- I have expressed clearly the position of the ITTF
- I have answered to the best of my ability the questions asked
- I have noted the displeasure of many of you with the ITTF's regulation regarding a minimum friction level of 25mN
- I have understood the difficulties encountered by many players that must now change their equipment to suit the ITTF's rule
- I have explained how a rule is passed at the ITTF level and the process of changing a rule
- I have explained our rules clearly
- I have noted all the new suggestions and proposals made by Forum members and I have explained the role of the national association.

I now believe that we need top agree to disagree and move on to another subject.

I am happy to answer any questions, provide clartifications and explanations on any subject. But please let's put the low-friction subject to rest for now as I have nothing more to add.

Are there any other subjects in which you may need my comments?

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