High throw.

[Klaus123]

O.K. habe slice und chop verwechselt, slice/push ist der Schupfball und chop ist die Schnittabwehr.

Was würdest du unter "speed drive", "loop drive" verstehen?

Die Schlagarten habe ich von der englischen Wikipedia-Seite unter "table tennis" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_tennis

[Tony_Iommi]

Klaus,

The Wikipedia descriptions are surprisingly good - I just went on their website and had a glance.

However, just to give you an idea, I have never heard a tt- player using the expression "slice" as opposed to chop. As I mentioned previously, everybody would probably get it right when you talk about "slice" and put the correct meaning to it. However, the majority - if not all- of the players would rather use "push".

I also read the explanations for speed-, respectively loop-drive. I think "drive" could best translate to "Schlag". Therefore, a speed drive is a stroke, where the ball is being hit with more speed as opposed to spin. That could be a fast counter, smash, etc.. A loop-drive on the other hand, is considered when you to hit the ball primarily with spin rather than speed.

Both expressions, however, I had never heard being used among players. But nevertheless, I think you are save going with the Wikipedia explanations.

Tony

[Klaus123]

I hope i get you right: for a speed drive there is not much skill needed, any lower class player starts playing it (together with the push), it resembles "Schlagspin", that is a hit with less spin and more speed, whereas a power loop is a hit for advanced players, which gives the ball both alot of speed and spin.

drive: bedeutet allgemein etwa "Schlag"
speed drive: Schlag, mehr schnell als spinnig (Schlagspin, Jiang Jialiang)
loop drive: Schlag, mehr spinnig als schnell (Topspin)
a) power loop (or: power spin): harter Topspin (schnell UND spinnig)
b) soft loop: weicher Topspin
counter [drive]: Konterball
flip / flick: Flip
smash: Schuß / Schmetterball
block: Block
push (rarely: slice): Schupfball
chop: Schnittabwehr
lob: Ballonabwehr
drop shot (or: stop): Stopball

[Nacki]

Zitat von Tony_Iommi

Aha - there we go. I just noticed the Linda Lovelace remark. So of course I was off with my first assumption....

And not to be confused with Ada Lovelace, for she would have more relation to Deep Blue anyway.
And at last I hope nobody has to throw up at all, neither high nor low.

[Tony_Iommi]

Zitat von Klaus123

I hope i get you right: for a speed drive there is not much skill needed, any lower class player starts playing it (together with the push), it resembles "Schlagspin", that is a hit with less spin and more speed, whereas a power loop is a hit for advanced players, which gives the ball both alot of speed and spin.

Well, I wouldn't say that it necessarily depends on a player's skills. For the rest I think you can go ahead. I play the Monday Night League later today and I will have the chance to interview a few guys about the about questions.

[Klaus123]

There are three more kinds of strokes i cant render in German, and one
stroke i cant render in English:

pick: ??
fish: ??
float: ??

Heber (wie Ballonabwehr, allerdings flach übers Netz gehoben): ??

[madmatt]

@ Klaus:

"float" should be what you're looking for as "heber". "Fish" I have never heard, but seems to be a more slang description of a defensive stroke far behind the table, where you just reach the ball and don't play really actively - a kind of emergency-stroke, based on quick reflexes (which is used only rarely and can't really be practised, so that's probably why its not part of the "collection of official tt-strokes").

"Pick" I have never read within tt-context, and I don't have any imagination what it could mean. What's the context, you've picked that up (forgive the pun, please) in?

have a nice day
matt

[Hendrix50]

"High throw" is Samsonow's backhand service.
And Toni Iommi used to be the lead guitarist with Black Sabbath (or is he still playing?).

[Sriver Killer]

He's still playing. I saw Black Sabbath last year on tour at the Westfalenhalle Dortmund.

[Tony_Iommi]

There you go! Of course, I am still playing. I got a whole bunch of unreleased stuff up in my cabinets which just devastatingly screams to be mastered and released...

Anyway, back to the initial topic. Shame on me, I forgot to ask my pals about Klaus' open definitions. I'll do that once the guys return from their Baltimore-trip. Everybody seems to be be headed out to play the yearly team competitions. They should be back next week, assuming they are still able to walk at all after three days of constant playing. Alright, let's play it by ear and I'll shoot you a note once I know more....

Tony