High throw.

[Tony_Iommi]

Hi Klaus,

Alright, I explicitly asked the guys whether or not they have heard (and actually use(d)) terms like: pick, fish and float.

As madmatt stated previously, (to) "fish" can basically translate into "a passiv return, fairly away from the table, with the intention to just return the ball without purposely imposing neither spin nor speed".

"Float" and "Pick", however, could not have been explained at all. Madmatt's statement might be right (float = Heber), however, wasn't confirmed by anybody I had spoken to.

Anyway, all my comments are based upon my personal experience. And that, of course, is what I picked up since playing here in the States, and by talking to ordinary players. If you want to play it save, using proven technically sophisticated expressions, you may wanna approach USATT directly. They are usually very responsive and helpful. Otherwise, let me know and I will push it along...

cheers

Dieter

[Hendrix50]

We gotta keep this thread going, Toni. I still believe "high throw" hasn't got anything to do with a rubber's catapult effect. It refers to a player's service (Samsonov, Schlager) and its effect on the opponent.
Hope we'll be able to hear some of your "devastating" material kept so far in one of your basement cabinets. My rock encyclopedia has it you play with only three fingers of your right hand. True? Well, if so, no wonder you can't do any better than the riff on "Paranoid" (like the song, though).

[Tony_Iommi]

Zitat von Hendrix50

We gotta keep this thread going, Toni. I still believe "high throw" hasn't got anything to do with a rubber's catapult effect. It refers to a player's service (Samsonov, Schlager) and its effect on the opponent.
Hope we'll be able to hear some of your "devastating" material kept so far in one of your basement cabinets. My rock encyclopedia has it you play with only three fingers of your right hand. True? Well, if so, no wonder you can't do any better than the riff on "Paranoid" (like the song, though).

First and foremost: "Tony", if you don't mind. Though statements, fellow mate - especially your last one. You should know better, shouldn't you?

Nevertheless, first of all, you are right. "High throw" is not linked to the catapult of a rubber (respectively, its sponge). But rather to the height of the throw upon a player's serve.

But I somewhat miss the association to "your" encyclopedia?! Please shed some light here. Further to that, what does it say about "devastating material"? I almost get under the impression you used "Google" or whatever translating your - by all means-, rather mediocre and senseless post.

Anyway, this is the first time I got offended publicly here at tt-news. I don't know why, but you must have your reasons. More importantly, the real Jimi - not a anonymously posting douchbag - I do highly respect and honor.

Now it's your call buddy!

Tony

[Klaus123]

Ich zitiere:


Definition: The throw angle of a rubber is whether the rubber tends to 'throw' the ball higher or lower when making the same stroke. Given the same return from your opponent, and the same stroke by you, a rubber that puts the ball in the net is considered to have a 'lower throw' than a rubber than puts the ball on the table. For the same circumstances, a rubber that puts the ball off the end of the table is considered to have a 'high throw'. You will sometimes hear players talk about 'degrees of throw' - basically a rubber than puts the ball low has a low degree of throw, and vice versa.

This throw angle is not an exact science (contrary to what you might think from reading on the various forums!), but more of a comparative feel between different rubbers.

A rubber with a high throw is not better or worse than a rubber with a low throw, it is just different. Generally, low throw rubbers are considered to be easier to play with against topspin, while high throw rubbers are supposed to be able to lift backspin over the net more easily.
Also Known As: throw, degree of throw

(Quelle: http://tabletennis.about.com/od/glos...hrow_angle.htm)

"Throw" entspricht damit dem deutschen "Ballabsprung".

[Tony_Iommi]

Zitat von Hendrix50

We gotta keep this thread going, Toni. I still believe "high throw" hasn't got anything to do with a rubber's catapult effect. It refers to a player's service (Samsonov, Schlager) and its effect on the opponent.
Hope we'll be able to hear some of your "devastating" material kept so far in one of your basement cabinets. My rock encyclopedia has it you play with only three fingers of your right hand. True? Well, if so, no wonder you can't do any better than the riff on "Paranoid" (like the song, though).

Well, mate, as much as I share standing your ground, Klaus might have some point here. "High throw" might indeed describe the distance a ball is being travelling and up and along, between its point of contact with the rubber and its peak after the bounce.

Nevertheless, in commonly used (American English), an expression such as "high throw" would have been completely misinterpreted - that I can guarantee, with no doubts behind. However, trying to come up with a rather "technical" term, Klaus' quotes seem to make sense - but what do I know!!!

Klaus, I think you did a good and save job along there. And very likely, your
are save with your statements from a technical perspective. Little I know, and that is definitely based upon common American English only.

Best wishes

Dieter

[kagin]

In the united states, "high throw" almost always means "high throw angle" of the racket. I first heard of this term when the ASTI company used it perhaps 10-12 years ago, their definition can be found here:

http://web.archive.org/web/199904232....com/page9.htm

However i wouldn't be surprised if the term was first used in europe or asia.


When someone is talking about a high ball in service, they say "high toss", not "high throw". Maybe some people who play at home say "throw" but all club players say "toss".

"Pick" i'm not sure about, but i think they mean "pick-hit". A pick-hit is a strong attack that you make after playing a lot of safe balls, usually pushes. It's called a pick-hit because you're very careful to pick which ball to hit.

A "float" is a shot similar to a chop, but always slow (sometimes chop is fast), and usually with no spin (usually chop has backspin).

"Fishing" is playing topspin defense, different from lobbing because the ball is lower and usually faster. Fishing usually has good topspin and often sidespin but sometimes has only a little spin, but never backspin.

[Tsuyoshi]

Zitat von Klaus123

Id like to know how the expression "high throw" (of a rubber) is understood, does it mean "high throw angle" (steiler Ballabsprung) or "strong catapult-effect" (starker Katapult-Effekt")?

"High throw" = "hugh throw angle"!